First Do No Harm: An Outsider Ticket

Obama is in a rather unique position for a Presidential Candidate. He already has all of his core demographics, and most of the independents playing in his court. Sure, the election is far from won, but it's not like there's more than 5% chance of McCain winning at this point. This is playing from a position of strength.

From a strong position, about the worst thing Obama could do is pick someone gaffe prone, or someone who is perceived to 'shore up' Obama on anything. Gaffes have the potential to derail the campaign, and having a Vice Presidential Candidate who is only able to talk about one particular area of policy -- or who is perceived to be strong there, is not ideal.

That goes doubly so when it comes to Foreign Policy -- a nasty hairsnest of different ideas, ideals, and realpolitik. Poblano may have a point about making the election about foreign policy (not Iraq. Iraq compresses nicely in the public mind.). There may be too much opportunity cost to focusing on it.

The idea is that independents and swing voters are more likely to make decisions based on their pocketbook. Obama has a lot of the public eye, if he can commandingly own that issue, McCain will be stuck saying that $5million is what he considers rich.

This is not to say that I deride anyone who is strong in Foreign Policy... far from it. I'm just saying that someone needs to be able to refocus their strengths and play on the team -- not just the know-it-all on one particular subject.

So, if Obama shouldn't be trying to shore up his grasp of issues, what is there for him to find a VEEP? Well, first and foremost, a Veep must work well on a team, must be able to enact anything and work within Obama's vision. I'm sure there's at least a million candidates who fit that description, many of them among myDD.

There is experience, of course. I think that's enough said about that subject. Nobody wants a wet-behind-the-ears guy reinforcing our already 'not-so-experienced' guy at the top.

Obama has the opportunity to reinforce the change meme, the historic meme, and the outsider meme. All three of these are powerful motivators -- the historic meme brings out Democrats (who like the touchyfeely rahrah We Are Getting Better meme). The change and outsider memes bring out the squeezed (i.e. unemployed or underemployed) and the rational Republican, respectively.

This is why a good friend of mine puts it at 60% Sebelius. A solid mild-mannered governor, with a hell of a persuasive streak.

I'd love to see Clark on the ticket, because I would like to see a genius on the ticket. And because while he can own foreign policy, he's got the chops to make global warming into a military issue.

As a sidenote: I find it really interesting that this site seems so fixed on foreign policy. I think other sites membership have been hitting the outsider meme a lot harder. Thoughts?



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Re: First Do No Harm: An Outsider Ticket (none / 0)

I have a different take on "gaffes"....

If you're talking about an outrageous statement, say Biden calls out McCain and the press freaks?

Not sure that is a bad thing? I WANT the attention on McCain, and if suddenly a Biden is in the firing line talking his butt off, and ripping McCain, I'm not sure that doesn't play to our advantage?

The Repubs WANT this about Obama, 24/7.

That is what scares me about a concensious lowballer like Bayh, who is probably NOT going to be comfortable taking it hard to McCain.

Sebeluis, I did like early, but she also may be too low key, and not enough FP experience.

Plus, I do think giving the Hillary supporters anymore reason to stay pissed is a mistake.

I like her early, now I don't so much.

Wes, or Hillary, or Joe. Give me someone to take the fight to McCain and get the press off of "Is Obama too exotic to be pres" trip they love to get on....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:55:29 PM EST

I don't think the Hillary supporters (none / 0)

are pissed anymore.

I don't object to people saying strong statements to the press. I object to "clean and articulate" -- and not pushing back against that meme.

Ripping McCain is a good thing... when done cleverly. Obama has the Hope crowd, and it is important to not piss them off, because they aren't diehard Dems. They don't like people being negative, think both sides are probably pretty okay, and in general tend to piss off people like us, who are issue based thinkers.

I'd rather see Clark, but not Hillary. Hillary is too obligated, too compromising.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:20:03 PM EST
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Re: First Do No Harm: An Outsider Ticket (2.00 / 1)

Biden is a bit of an outsider... he commutes home on the train to DE every night, and avoided all aspects of the DC social scene for his first 20 years there... he's also not a one-note guy, as he wrote the Violence Against Women Act and the Clinton Crime Bill and kept Bork off the Supreme Court... sure, he's not as much an outsider as Sibelius, but with the right kind of rollout, I believe he's a better Veep match than most folks might think.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:58:53 PM EST

wow. thanks for the info! (none / 0)

for a texan, you sure keep track of things better than I do! ;-)

Problem is, Biden had that "clean and articulate" 'gaffe'.

He coulda/shoulda just said "In my experience, most blacks are articulate -- oftimes more articulate than whites."

If rhetoric still lives in this country, it lives in the Southern soul. ;-)


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:12:30 PM EST
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I am African-American and I am a big fan (2.00 / 2)

of Biden's.  Obama didn't take it personal so neither should we.

I think that Biden would be the BEST attack dog out there!!!


by puma on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:28:50 PM EST
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*facefault* (none / 0)

... your name is puma. I think... that has to be the silliest thing I've seen for a screen name. Around here, that is likely to conjure memories of PUMA (party unity my ass).

I know Obama didn't take it personally... what troubles me is that Biden didn't take the offense on it, and let himself be played the way Kerry and Gore were played. Whenever Biden's name came up, it was always paired with a reference to "clean and articulate". Not good. Coming out balls blazing would have been better.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:31:28 PM EST
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Re: *facefault* (none / 0)

Looks like puma's had the name since 2006.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:17:21 PM EST
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technicalities... technicalities (none / 0)

(however did you figure that out? i'm clueless about this interface. only grok kos)


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:29:23 AM EST
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Re: technicalities... technicalities (none / 0)

Clicked on the username and looked at how far back the diaries went. The earliest was from '06. For all I know, puma's been around even longer, just not diarying.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:25:18 AM EST
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Re: wow. thanks for the info! (2.00 / 1)

Thanks. I obsess over Senate politics, and am particularly aware of Biden, given my involvement with his campaign.

It wasn't that Obama is an articulate black man, but a well-spoken, mainstream black candidate. Not clean as in hygenic, but clean as in Biden's mother's saying "clean as a whistle, sharp as a tack" - no scandals. All this is to say, a lot different than Jackson, Sharpton, and Mosley-Braun. And about the one person who didn't take it the wrong way was Obama himself! :)


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:16:14 PM EST
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aha! so there is a reason for the trivia! (none / 0)

What did Mosley-Braun have for scandals?

Obama knows Biden -- it's not like this is Byrd, from which you could expect a huge fracas if he EVER said something like this. Luckily, Byrd is too smart to ever say something like this.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:41:17 AM EST
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Re: aha! so there is a reason for the trivia! (none / 0)

Campaign finance investigation. She lost reelection over it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Mosel ey_Braun


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:26:59 AM EST
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Biden is better than Bayh or Kaine (none / 0)

Personally, I'd like to see Dodd on the ticket, or Feingold.  Yeah... Feingold.  Right on.


McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:10:50 PM EST

wasn't trying to pick on Biden (2.00 / 1)

but I do think you're right. Obama can't have the "moving to the center" meme compromised by picking a more centrist Veep (aka Nunn).

Yeah, I'd give dollars to donuts on Feingold. That would be hella fun. And I don't think Feingold has much different from Obama on issues, either.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:14:16 PM EST
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Feigiold is everything we need in a VP (none / 0)

Smart, informed, progressive from a battleground state and he can be brutal (yet truthful and relevant) as an attack-dog.

He has everything except the puditocracy and advisor-class approval.

Which is the only thing that usually matters, unfortunately.


McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:30:12 PM EST
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Usually being the key word here (2.00 / 1)

Obama runs a different campaign.

the Punditocracy wants Foreign Policy from obama. He shoudlnt' give it to them.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:33:15 PM EST
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Note: poll on kos (none / 0)

has Sebelius ahead by more than 200% of everyone else in the field.

Yet here it is all about Biden??


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 03:20:42 PM EST

Sebelius (none / 0)

Obama can't pick her. That would be sexist!!! (head spinning)


by Dale Johnson 007 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 04:02:07 PM EST

Re: First Do No Harm: An Outsider Ticket (none / 0)

Hey...
I want a gaffe VP...
then we can bring McCain gaffes front and Center...
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:19:16 PM EST


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