The Michelle Obama bombshell

by miker2008, Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:41:13 AM EST

Sites carrying this story are suffering denial-of-service attacks.  All Democrats should know about this, whether you want to believe it or not.  It certainly is on the radar of the Republicans.   So ... here's what's known so far:

The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women's Event.

Michelle Obama appeared as a panelist alongside Mrs. Khadijah Farrakhan and Mrs. James Meeks.

Bill Clinton spoke during the Conference, as did Bill Cosby and other speakers, but not at the panel Michelle attended.

Michelle Obama spoke at the Women's Event, but referenced Bill Clinton in her rant --- his presence at the conference was the impetus for her raving, it seems.

For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on "whitey", and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that's when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone who's seen this.

The "tape" is a DVD that Trinity United sold on its website, and possibly offered free for download up until March 2008 when Trinity's site was scrubbed and the DVDs were no longer offered for sale.




Tags: Michelle Obama, Racism, Incitement to violence (all tags)

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Troll diary. (2.00 / 18)


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:42:17 AM EST

Re: Troll diary. (2.00 / 13)

Diarist is right, she's a bombshell alright.  Nice photo.


by reconad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:46:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Troll diary. (2.00 / 5)

I thought the same thing!
Michelle Obama?
Bombshell?
Yup!
by Kysen on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:47:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Troll diary. (2.00 / 2)

Totally!!!


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by lollydee on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:16:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Just made this picture my wallpaper... (2.00 / 5)

on my desktop. Is that breaking any rules?


by Liberal Monk on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:29 AM EST
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Re: Just made this picture my wallpaper... (2.00 / 3)

It might be breaking the Tenth Commandment, but that's really something only you can know.


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by mistersite on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:57:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Just made this picture my wallpaper... (2.00 / 2)

Being an atheist exempts me from that particular set of rules, right? :-)


by Liberal Monk on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:07:27 AM EST
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Re: Just made this picture my wallpaper... (2.00 / 1)

It's the 10th, so it's not as important as the first nine, right?


by niksder on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:35:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Honestly, I think on things like this (2.00 / 1)

reserve judgement until you actually see whatever was said, IN CONTEXT.

FYI, there are a huge number, perhaps HUNDREDS of US interventions in foreign lands that 99.99% of Americans know nothing of. Many of them left huge scars. Many of them were undertaken for one reaon only, money.

That is our legacy of colonialism and the hunt for obscene levels of profit and raw materials without actually having to pay market rates for them.

Like it or not, its our history.

I have no doubt that anyone who BOTH loves our country AND knows even a small amount about things like them is going to get extremely emotional about it.

No, I am not defending anything she might have said, sight unseen, but yes, I am saying she might have been justified on some level with something - athough NOT for the stuff the poster said.. (which I doubt is true)

There is a web site called 'third world traveller" or somethig like that that is basically the only site on the Net that makes a serious effort to catalog these interventions.. and their impacts.

If we want to enter the 21st century in a SUSTAINABLE and GLOBALLY POSITIVE way, we are GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE PEACE WITH THIS PAST AND ITS IMPLICATIONS..

However, there is a whole generation of right-leaning Washington insiders who go into full attack mode whenever these issues are brought up.

Thats another possible reason they HATE the Clintons because the Clintons did more to acknowledge this past than any previous administration did.


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by architek on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:10:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Troll diary. (2.00 / 3)

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Form of:  an Ice Sword!

Form of:  a Troll killing warrior!


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by fogiv on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:22:08 AM EST
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Re: Troll diary. (2.00 / 2)

Heh.
You broke out the Wonder Twins card.
Brill!
:)
by Kysen on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:38:34 AM EST
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Re: Troll diary. (2.00 / 1)

And you, in that comment, just turned the Wonder Twins into things 100x more bad-ass than they ever turned into on the Super Friends.


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by mistersite on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:42:08 AM EST
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Re: Troll diary. (none / 0)

I know.  It was always a lavender walrus and a pitcher of water.

;)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:36:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Video or it didn't happen (2.00 / 11)

dipshit troll.


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:43:03 AM EST

Nobody will care (2.00 / 5)

if they didn't care about what she said already, they will not care about this. They will just vote against him in November.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:44:21 AM EST

Re: Nobody will care (2.00 / 2)

Who's they?


by niksder on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:36:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

voters n/t (1.00 / 0)


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:53:32 AM EST
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Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 2)

I thought it was about her saying whitey!  


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by LordMike on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:44:39 AM EST

Whatever sticks to the wall, (1.50 / 4)

they'll run with it.

(Why isn't this turd banned?  This site used to have rules.)


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:19:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's as though Google doesn't exist (2.00 / 17)

"at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church"

Bzzzt.  It was at the Sheraton Chicago Hotel and Towers.  There was press coverage of this event, but somehow this rant from a senator's wife received NO coverage.  

The Way Back Machine on archive has NO evidence of this video existing on the TUCC site.

Still not one person has gone on the record as seeing this tape.   Give it up.  It's over.

Please delete this thread.


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by thezzyzx on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:45:11 AM EST

Re: It's as though Google doesn't exist (2.00 / 1)

I took Obama's word back in 2007 that the controversy Rolling Stone mentioned about Rev. Wright was related to Wright's support for the South Africa boycott. I should not have.

This event took place before the 2004 Democratic convention. It is very unlikely that the wife of a candidate for Senate would get any attention. And as the Wright episode shows the press won't cover these things until the Republicans push them.

I would prefer to know more about what is out there.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:08:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's as though Google doesn't exist (2.00 / 3)

He had already been a state Senator for years, was running for U.S. Senate at the time, and probably had designs for a presidential run down the line. What, do you think he just realized last year that Michelle and he shouldn't say racially insulting things?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:19:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's as though Google doesn't exist (2.00 / 1)

Speaking as a typical white person, I think he still has some work to do on that front. From what I've seen Michelle Obama has much farther to go than Barack, and clearly the community at Trinity eggs on people who say stupid things.

One thing the Obama campaign has taught us is that in a presidential campaign anything a surrogate says is fair game, regardless of context. What Michelle said, if anything, will be put in the least favorable light by the Republicans. Then the question will be how Barack Obama handles the situation.

We need more context before we can discuss a defense. Treating this as if it doesn't exist is becoming less tenable.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:32:45 AM EST
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Re: It's as though Google doesn't exist (2.00 / 2)

Treating this as if it doesn't exist is becoming less tenable.

You're kidding, right? The tape's been "rumored" for days, all seemingly coming from the same source.  Flowbee was supposedly going to release it days ago, but shockingly didn't. The facts about it keep changing (what she said, where she said it, when she said it).

No one can seem to produce this tape, which they also incongruously claim was available on the Internet until March--over a year after he declared his candidacy and months into the primaries.

Meanwhile, these same video sleuths managed to find all kinds of videos of Rev. Wright's inanities. Yet somehow, in the process of getting the dirt on Wright, they managed to skip over the tape where the actual candidate's wife insults "whitey."

And you're saying that the tape's existence is more tenable now? Again, are you kidding me??


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:26:52 PM EST
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Re: It's as though Google doesn't exist (none / 0)

The Rev. Wright videos were rumored for years, I first saw mention of them in Feb 2007. And yet no-one produced them until it looked like Obama had the Democratic nomination. Trinity stopped selling those DVDs in March, once Rev. Wright's sermons were shown on national news shows.

As far as I can tell the rumor as reported by Larry Johnson has been consistent (I don't often read NoQuarter). Now that mainstream talking heads like Fund and Beckel are repeating the same thing it is less tenable to ignore the rumor.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:04:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's as though Google doesn't exist (none / 0)

Right... Because now that the famous wingnuts are saying it, it must be true.


by Dave on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:36:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's as though Google doesn't exist (none / 0)

Bob Beckel is a wingnut?


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:53:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sure because (2.00 / 2)

golly gee -

We bumpkins in Chicago certainly don't have any media to speak of that would have been interested in inflammatory rhetoric from the wife of our probable next Senator.

I'd really like you to explain to me why it is that you think we in Illinois are some backwater bumpkinville without our own media.


by zonk on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:31:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sure because (2.00 / 1)

I don't think much of the media generally. Few reporters do any independent research, they generally follow what their sources tell them. And even that is very subject to their editors and employers interests.

But yes, I would say that the Chicago media really dropped the ball on Trinity UCC and Rev. Wright. My guess is that the reporters who would recognize the story weren't covering TUCC.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:41:14 AM EST
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Re: Sure because (2.00 / 1)

The media is not objective.  It has shifted favorites over the years, e.g., Reagan. It is also very likely this was not a panel that it was thought worth attending.  If you're a reporter, who are you going to do a story on first, second, and third?  Bill Clinton?  Bill Cosby?  Assorted members of the AA political community who already were pretty famous?  Reporters sure don't sit down and attend all day conferences, not from what I've seen in Washington DC.

We'll see what happens.  I'll believe it when I see it.  But I personally do not feel Larry Johnson made stuff up.  Maybe he was being fed false info by whomever wants to have this information, true or false, out.  Even reliable sources lie sometimes.


by katmandu1 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:21:10 PM EST
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Re: Sure because (none / 0)

Either that, or our media isn't interested in sensationalizing that which the national media seems to be interested in sensationalizing.

Father Pfleger and Reverend Wright are from unknowns in Chicago -- they've both been on the frontlines of numerous issues in the community, from community violence to fair housing/fair wages to immigration.

They've also had their controversial moments - Father Pfleger in particular is no stranger to being at loggerheads with the Chicago archdiocese.  In fact, 2003 was supposed to be his last year at St. Sabina -- Cardinal George said then that he would NOT be reappointed after completion of his then current term there.   However, the outrage from the St. Sabina community -- where Pfleger is very much beloved because of the community service he has done, regardless of how often his mouth gets him in trouble -- was such that Cardinal George had no option but to relent.

What we're seeing here is NOT a matter of the Chicago media not doing its job nor some hidden "OMFG!!!" revelations about MY community.

What we are seeing is a double standard.

Forget race - what we're seeing here is our first "urban candidate" for President... and for better or worse, we do things differently than the good folks of rural areas that have the fortune to have any of their failings brushed off because they're such "salt of the earth" good people.

While he was in the state senate - Obama represented more constituents than do the majority of congressman and more than a dozen Senators.

It's a large and diverse community.  The discourse is different because the community is different.

Obama's district in particular is very much a patchwork area -- from the ivory towers of the U of C, to upper middle class neighborhoods, to poor struggling neighborhoods -- it's very much a diverse community.

Sometimes that diversity has caused tension, sometimes leaders in the community DO say things that might shock outsiders.

I'm very sorry about that, but it continues to puzzle me why some of the virulent BS that comes from rural America is so easily brushed aside (and I grew up in a small, one stoplight town - so I'm quite aware of its existence) as "not the norm", while our community and our community leaders are so broadly judged on the basis of a few minutes of YouTube clips.


by zonk on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:03:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's as though (2.00 / 1)

yup, we should have known more about Obama earlier in the process.

The media is owned by Republicans. They gave Obama a free pass, until now.

Now, it will all come out. The media will do all in their power to elect McCain. And it will probably work.


by WolfmanJack on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:17:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Troll, Troll. Troll (2.00 / 7)

your boat don't float


by UrbanRedneck on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:45:21 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 10)

Tell the folks at Redstate this was one big cup of fail.


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by mefeck on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:45:37 AM EST

Ummm....ok. (2.00 / 1)


by Kysen on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:46:10 AM EST

Re: Ummm....ok. (2.00 / 1)

I'm not feeling the "Electronik Supersonik" for this thread.

It feels more like...



by TCQuad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:13:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't Hassle the Hoff!! ;) (none / 0)

When it comes to the Hoffster...I much prefer this gem:


by Kysen on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:34:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm....ok. (2.00 / 3)

You win six internets.


by Barrett Brown on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:15:47 AM EST
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Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 6)

Troll.

Ban.


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by PantsB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:46:24 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 6)

All of this is just the speculation of the blogger at HillBuzz, who has admitted as much.  There is no evidence that the video was taped at this conference.  Nor is there evidence that a video actually exists.

What there is evidence of is a concerted campaign among GOP operatives to spread the notion that the video exists - to Larry Johnson, to Bob Beckel, etc - and that is something of which we should be aware.  Let's not assume that the video exists without proof, but lets not lose fact of what the other side is trying to do here.


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by Fuzzy Dunlop on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:46:44 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (none / 0)

Errr, should be "lose sight" in the last sentence.


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by Fuzzy Dunlop on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:55 AM EST
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Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 6)

Hush, child.


by authority song on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:54 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 5)

I am not touching this with a ten foot poll and no other self respecting Clinton supporter should either. Michelle is NOT fair game regardless of your opinion of her.


by Iceblinkjm on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:59 AM EST

Was Hillary's spouse fair game? (2.00 / 2)

Just curious.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:51:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Was Hillary's spouse fair game? (2.00 / 6)

Bill Clinton is, because he is a politician. Chelsea or Mrs. Rodham, on the other hand, are not.


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by vcalzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:55:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Was Hillary's spouse fair game? (2.00 / 5)

Cat- you know I am as big a Clintonite as they come. I believe Michelle has some off the wall stuff but I am not down for assassinating her character or giving credence to something when there is no evidence it occurred. She's a women and I am a feminist enough to give her the benefit of the doubt.


by Iceblinkjm on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:55:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Confused you with another user (1.50 / 2)

whose username rhymes with yours.

Well she is fair game in the minds of voters. They may not want her in the White House. I was offended by things she's already said and she has some work to do in exercising gratitude. I get that it's not as easy being black in this country, but she has Ivy League degrees and a good life.

The description of this tape does not surprise me at all. I think Larry should shut his yap about it though, until he finds the tape. Until then who cares? Even after then, people probably will not care.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:07:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

She has work to do (2.00 / 4)

"in exercising gratitude?"  Next you'll call her uppity.  You haven't a clue what you're talking about, but I can tell you don't like the black woman.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:22:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I love black women (1.00 / 0)

A few of my best friends are black women.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:34:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I've got nothing to add to that. n/t (none / 0)


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:37:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love black women (none / 0)

Well that settles it, but probably not in the way you meant to.


by niksder on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:41:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes I know the joke (2.00 / 1)

"Some of my best friends are black."

I do not like Michelle. I hope that changes. But I am hardly alone as you surely have noticed the press' reaction to her.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:47:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes I know the joke (none / 0)

"But I am hardly alone as you surely have noticed the press' reaction to her."

The same press that treated Hillary really unfairly?  Yeah, I've noticed.


by Rumproast on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:09:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Do not appreciate the race-baiting (2.00 / 1)

You do a disservice to your candidate when you resort to that too quickly. Save that for when it's merited.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:48:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I have a very hard time (none / 0)

interpreting the phrase "she needs to show gratitude" in a neutral way.  I'll try again.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:55:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

HillBuzz and Larry talking too much (1.00 / 0)

if there is a tape find it. They're talking about it so much that if there's a tape people have plenty of time to hide or destroy it.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:52:17 AM EST

Epic Fail (2.00 / 7)

"Sites carrying this story are suffering dos attacks"

Look, if you are going to lead off your diary with that kind of tinfoilhattery you might as well save yourself the effort of typing the rest.

There are some very good trolls here already and you will really need to raise your game to be competitive.  


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by Purplepeople on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:52:47 AM EST

Re: Epic Fail (2.00 / 1)

Larry & Susan are suffering from signing up for a cheap ass hosting plan with probably a third-rate hosting company, just like Lieberman. Why is it only wingnut sites (which NQ has clearly become) that only whine about TEH HACKERZZZZ?


by Rumproast on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:12:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

this is STUPID! until we see a tape, which i (2.00 / 3)

doubt we ever will, this is stupid and trollish.


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by rigsoHC on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:53:08 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 5)

i heard she appeared with Nat X and Whitey the Clown , and helped sweep an effigy of clinton off-stage.  (does anybody remember chris rock's skit on snl??)

She read this poem, i think:

Kill,
kill, kill
the white
man.
Kill him,
until he is
dead.

Kill,
kill, kill,
the white
man.

while "whitey's on the moon" played and tribal drums played.


by pholkhero on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:53:44 AM EST

I think Tasty Taste was there too (none / 0)


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:00:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Breaking! Shocking New Video! (none / 0)

Per No Quarter: Michelle's Favorite Band:

Tyrone Green and his Reggae Band!

(for the humor impaired....this is snark)
:)


by Kysen on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:47:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 7)

Hey Miker, do you normally copy text verbatim without a citation or are you the author of this piece: http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06/wha ts-on-michelle-obama-rant-tape.html#link s ?


by RP McMurphy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:55:31 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 4)

I'm hungry. Anyone want a BANana? We can share it in the shade of this BANyan tree, while engaged in witty BANter.


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by Mandoliniment on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:57:13 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (none / 0)

I love banyan trees.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:23:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 1)

I love how this "bombshell" has been spoken about for weeks now......OK...WHERE IS IT?


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:59:18 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 4)

The bombshell is still dropping to Earth.  I think it was originally fired from somewhere in the Milky Way actually, and should land around 2057, when it is expected to devastate the chances of Sasha Obama becoming president.  Stay tuned.


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by Fuzzy Dunlop on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:05:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (none / 0)

I am so sad I can't uprate comments still.  Fuzzy, right now you're at (2.00/4) in my mind.


by Rumproast on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:18:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey Hey Hey (2.00 / 3)

Michelle Obama appeared at the same conference as Bill Cosby?

Forget about the controversies surrounding Farrakhan and Meeks.

Personally, I am absolutely outraged that she would attend the same conference as the hate-filled Cosby, a man that has made a fortune with his belittling humor about a Fat Kid named Albert.


by emptythreatsfarm on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:59:29 AM EST

Re: Hey Hey Hey (2.00 / 1)

And to make matters worse, that guy caused childhood obesity in this country with his constant demand for them to eat puddin' and puddin' pops.


by futbol dad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:25:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

A pattern emerges...... (2.00 / 1)

And if I remember correctly, wasn't he always shown in the commercials eating the chocolate pudding even though the delicious vanilla variety was available?

Don't believe for a second that was a coincidence.  We all know the vanilla pudding is better.

This is an example of black nationalist reverse racism right out of the Trinity United hymnbook.

And to think they gave the racist Cosby his own television show!


by emptythreatsfarm on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:41:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A pattern emerges...... (none / 0)

Good catch!  This guy is unbelievable!


by futbol dad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:24:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 2)


It doesn't hurt to know what's coming, if that's what coming.

That story is probably too specific to be true.

However, from what we know of Michelle, I think it obvious that she said stupid or should I say politically incorect things in the past and that some of it is on tape... to be released by the GOP around mid september.

Assuming that the super-likely will happen is just politics 101.


by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:06:01 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 1)

Assuming that the super-likely will happen is just politics 101.

For instance, assume that the GOP will attempt to start rumors about things which are totally untrue.

And assume that highly credulous people will believe them despite the fact that the stories are completely non-credible.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:12:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (none / 0)


Fine,

by all means do assume that Michele never said anything politically incorect in her entire life.

Do assume that no attack will come.

But don't go complaint when the likely happens and you've got no strategy to deal with it.


by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:16:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 2)


Fine,

by all means do assume that Michele never said anything politically incorect in her entire life.

Do assume that no attack will come.

But don't go complaint when the likely happens and you've got no strategy to deal with it.


by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:16:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Put up, or shut up. (none / 0)

I'd prefer the latter.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:25:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 1)

Here's how it going to go down.

1. Denial the event ever took place.

2. The the shoe drops..

3. Excuses; She meant to say, you didn't here her correctly, she's not like that anymore, etc, etc, etc,


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:31:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Since you got the GOP memo, (2.00 / 1)

could you perhaps let us know some dates, or video archive locations?  You seem to have the inside track on this somehow.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:33:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Rumor (2.00 / 1)

This is just my opinion in reference to a rumor but what I've seen from Trinity so far, I would bet on it.


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:37:19 AM EST
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Now see, personally that's where (none / 0)

I would kind of draw the line.  Even on teh Internetz, "my opinion in reference to a rumor" kind of fails the smell test.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:41:53 AM EST
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We can agree.... (none / 0)

....that there was the event, right?

http://thebigfeed.blogspot.com/2008/06/m ichelle-obama-hangin-with-mrs.html


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:55:06 AM EST
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I see a picture. (2.00 / 1)

This diary's about a bombshell video, apparently filmed by fairies, edited by the Keebler elves, and distributed by TCP/IP via carrier pigeon.

This is the commentary at the site you linked to:
'If I had a nickel for every time "strong black woman" or "oh no you didn't" was uttered at that luncheon...'

Yeah, if you did have a nickel, then what?  You'd buy another McCain bumper sticker?


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:00:59 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (2.00 / 1)

I said it was a picture prior to providing a link. What didn't you understand?

In reference to the link...I just googled Michelle Obama and Mrs. Farrakhan and that's one of the first links to pop up; there are several out there. Don't blame me for the content.


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:09:03 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

soyousay, do you have rec/ratings prvileges?


by Rumproast on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:20:49 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

do you have yours?


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:21:34 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

If you have a problem with me providing a link to the pic...Don't blame me I asked if they wanted to see it first.


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:23:41 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

Actually, I just saw that you do. Good christ.

I can't rec/rate (I still don't know why) and I'm solidly behind OUR candidate and will fight my heart out against every attack leveled against him and you're smearing bullshit all over the walls here in an effort to take him down and you still have full privileges.  Jerome, Todd, Jonathan ... WTF?


by Rumproast on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:24:47 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (2.00 / 1)

I can't rec/rate (I still don't know why)
Probably because you troll rate a lot. I seldom troll rate.

and I'm solidly behind OUR candidate and will fight my heart out against every attack leveled against him
Why not go to the source then? Mydd is far from the source, IMO...this is more like an echo chamber.

and you're smearing bullshit all over the walls here
First of all this isn't my diary but the rumor IS out there whether you like it or not.

an effort to take him down and you still have full privileges.
You give me way too much credit. I don't have the ability to take anyone down. If anyone takes down a candidate, it will be cable news.


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:39:17 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

"First of all this isn't my diary but the rumor IS out there whether you like it or not."

The rumor is out there because people want this rumor to be out there.  There hasn't been the slightest bit of evidence of it existing.  Even NRO has given up on it.  It's a basic whisper campaign and you can either further it or push back against it.  Your choice.

...on the plus side, it keeps some McCain people searching for this tape instead of doing something constructive.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:48 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (2.00 / 1)

The rumor is out there because people want this rumor to be out there.
That is true; it's possible that those who started the rumor actually have something to back it up....or not.
There hasn't been the slightest bit of evidence of it existing.
I totally agree with you. That's why I didn't personally create a diary like this. That's not saying that my curiousity didn't get the best of me; I checked it out.
Even NRO has given up on it.
Did they state that it was just a rumor? That would be helpful.
It's a basic whisper campaign and you can either further it or push back against it.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Like I said before, I didn't create a diary on this subject because there's no proof...but if there's any truth to it, I'm not responsible for protecting politicians for the damage they do to themselves/political careers. If it's just a rumor, it won't go anywhere and there's nothing for you to worry about.
by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:09:39 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

Camapaign Spot on this rumor


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:52:38 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

....Then there's this
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/p ost/?q=YTE2ODlmYmEyNmE1NDQ0YTViMGY1ZTMxY 2U0YmM3ZTM=

....and this. Notice the special guest on June 28th.

http://web.archive.org/web/2004081123375 0/corona.tpsgi.com/rpc/Conference_Schedu le.htm


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:35:27 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

I have only troll-rated once (I believe) the entire time I've been a member here and you know perfectly well this rumor was initially and relentlessly pushed out of the blogosphere by No Quarter and their minions and they willfully hoisted it onto cable news (send it to hannity! send it to greta!).


by Rumproast on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:05:31 PM EST
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Re: I see a picture. (none / 0)

I don't know why you lost your privilages. Right now, you seem reasonable to me.

In reference to the blogs; In my opinion, blogs were used as a tool...Who is pushing it and whether it true or not, I don't know.


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:13:19 PM EST
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Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 1)

Divisive troll. The republicans must truly be desperate now


The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman
by pollbuster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:06:57 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 6)

I love how the video was available for download until March, but now suddenly only one copy exists in a Republican cryo-storage vault somewhere.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:07:00 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, see I don't think the repubs really want to make this about the candidate's wives. Cindy McCain is a fucking political nightmare if it comes to that level of discourse.


by notedgeways on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:07:31 AM EST

Re: The Michelle Obama bombshell (none / 0)

It doesn't get much worse than stealing drugs from your own charity.  Of course, she was probably wearing a flag pin at the time, so it was okay.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:00:06 PM EST
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Jerome! Cleanup on aisle 7!! (1.70 / 10)

Once again, this is where MyDD needs to draw the line.  If you continue to accomodate those who are clearly on assignment from RedState or LittleGreenFootballs, you are not part of the solution.

Ban this guy right now.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:12:13 AM EST

Re: Jerome! Cleanup on aisle 7!! (1.00 / 5)

Typical Obama supporter.  Can't bear to read the truth.   NOT that the rumor is true, but that the rumor exists.

Yes, Jimmy, the rumor exists.  

I know, the very thought is so painful that all hints of it must be wiped away.   No discussion will be brooked.  No strategies or tactics to surmount the candidate's considerable limitations.  


by miker2008 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:28:31 AM EST
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Re: Jerome! Cleanup on aisle 7!! (1.60 / 5)

You're working hard against the Democratic nominee.

Shoo, little man.  Go beat your kids or whatever it is you do for fun.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:29:58 AM EST
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Re: Jerome! Cleanup on aisle 7!! (none / 0)

Wow, it's "no horse in the race" miker!

These McTrolls have to raise their game. This is kind of sad.


by JoeW on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:34:47 AM EST
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rumor: miker2008 is a pederast (1.00 / 2)

the rumor exists!


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:14:39 PM EST
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Re: rumor: miker2008 is a pederast (none / 0)

Is it permissible to uprate personal attacks on obvious trolls? Should be. Should be. But I won't because I'm still a little nervous about that whole ratings banning thing.


by Exhausted Pennsylvanian on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:18:32 PM EST
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probably not (none / 0)

so if i say that souvarine is too dumb understand the point of that comment, you shouldn't uprate me.


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:28:41 PM EST
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Re: probably not (2.00 / 1)

Well, I heard the diarist is a pederast, too. I have zero proof of it, but people are discussing it all around the internets, and all their websites are getting shut down by black-ops hackers employed by the government, which is secretly run by a pro-Obama cartel.

Supposedly, the video shows the diary engaged in salacious acts with a boy. Or maybe it's with an adult woman. Or maybe it's just video of him shopping in the grocery store alone. Whatever it is, it'll be a bombshell.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:09:34 PM EST
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Re: probably not (none / 0)

I understand your point, but not the way you expressed it. Your title was offensive and intended to abuse other readers. We can argue about "solely", but the accusation was sufficiently offensive that it overwhelmed any point.
Zero is for comments that are offensive, script-generated, or otherwise content-free and intended solely to abuse other readers.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:12:41 PM EST
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it wasn't an accusation (none / 0)

merely reporting a rumor.  I have no idea if it's true or not, just saying it's out there.  You are in favor of that kind of thing, judging by your comments in this very thread.  


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:15:23 PM EST
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Re: Jerome! Cleanup on aisle 7!! (none / 0)

there was a "rumor" that the Clinton's had somebody bumped off as well. Which was horseshit, but still made the rounds.

YOU.. yes YOU, are responsible for spreading this rumor hear and now.

At best you are acting like a concern troll, at worst you are attempting to spread discord.

If you are admitting that

1. This is no more than a rumor

and

2. You "have no horse in this race"

you should seriously think about pulling this POS diary down.

DO NOT spread rumors.

Hey I heard McCain molests sea monkeys!


by notedgeways on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:30:48 PM EST
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for chrissakes (2.00 / 1)

have you forgotten that Michelle's husband is half white??? I'm not an expert on these things but I don't think that racists are cool with marrying and procreating with those that they hate.

gosh...who needs the GOP hit squad when you have dems doing the work for them.


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:12:24 AM EST

Re: for chrissakes (2.00 / 1)

have you forgotten that Michelle's husband is half white???
What's your point? What does that have to do with anything?

There's all kinds of people with all kinds of beliefs.

Take father Phleger for example, he's white and yet he had no problem with racially divisive rhetoric about Hillary Clinton.


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:19:45 AM EST
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whatever dude (2.00 / 1)

yeah and next there will be a phantom tape that supposedly proves that she is a hardcore member of the new black panthers and she's ranting that all the white people are the devil...get a goddamn life...


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:33:35 AM EST
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Re: whatever dude (none / 0)

I give you a reasonable answer and you fly off the handle and throw in a red herring. You ought to be a politician. :D


by soyousay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:52:54 PM EST
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Re: for chrissakes (none / 0)

is he half responsible?....sorry, bad joke...


by IowaMike on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:21:47 PM EST
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Contradictions point to a hoax: (2.00 / 7)

It's in the possession of a network
BUT
it can be magically kept secret until October.

It was sold on the TUCC site
BUT
nobody has seen it.

The meeting was at TUCC
BUT
the meeting was at the Sheraton.

It was about what she "said"
BUT
it's about who she's "with."

These are just the low-hanging fruit.  

Fucking trolls.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:15:54 AM EST

Re: Contradictions point to a hoax: (2.00 / 2)

Her rant was about Katrina BUT it happened in 2004.

The big scoop is that it was with Louis Farakhan according to people who saw the video, BUT now it was with her wife.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:19:51 AM EST
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And to the commenter worried about language: (1.75 / 4)

I used a term in my comment to which some will object.  
So let me clarify:


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:22:53 AM EST
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And yet (2.00 / 3)

In the world where you can get video of Bush flipping off the camera years before he became president, no one has been able or willing to make this tape public?  No one's posted it where people can see it and make up their own minds?

Bullshit. You lie.


by nightsweat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:18:47 AM EST

No, you misunderstand. (2.00 / 1)

He's not reporting on the existence of the tape, he's simply saying that "the rumor exists."  At least that's miker2008's new tack.  Kind of like on FOX News when they trot out unsupportable opinions with "Some people say..."  Funny that.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:32:33 AM EST
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if it existed (2.00 / 4)

it would be out.

This rumor is just being used to fuel a fire that does not exist.

If you do a search on youtube and google, you come across lots of righties talking about the possible existence of this "video".

So... if they say it enough times, then it must be real. People will talk and write about this "video" but no one will ever see it because it does not exist.

In some ways, that is all they need to do, this has rove fingerprints all over it.

But wait.... "THEY" scrubbed it... had their "PEOPLE" threaten other people and had it removed.... from the ENTIRE internet! How devious... how smart... how evil!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:04:01 PM EST